[Jerry]

Thanks for posting this, Laura! This highly fascinates me!

[Jerry]

Hi Laura. I agree that “time is a human construct that measures rates of changes of things compared to one another.” However, that is only one definition. Time is also the inevitable feature of reality which is examined. And even if time is only a “human construct” without physicality, at least it does “exist” in that particular way. These two separate definitions somewhat remind me of how the word “science” doesn’t only apply to the vast accumulation of the most accurate knowledge possible. There is also the scientific approach itself (often called “science”), which is used to examine reality, to arrive at the most accurate knowledge.

Anyway, just a thought.

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[Jerry]

Hi Laura. I tried to view the images there, yet without luck! Were you responding to my previous post there in particular? Considering what you have said, isn’t the question of whether gravity pushes or pulls, without a definite conclusion of if gravity “travels” or if it’s “instantaneous”? Does the “maximum possible velocity” apply to gravity, as well as light? Does gravity travel, except slower than c? Also, is it a constant?

The thought that gravity is either a push or a pull, to me, seems possibly misleading. Maybe that’s sort of only a guess. What if gravity actually isn’t either of them. I’m also skeptical of the idea that light is a particle or a wave.

Have you heard of the Dinu effect, of the experiment with the under-water spinning cylinders? It seems to illustrate the effects of magnetism.

Also, that was quite intriguing, the idea you had that zero gravity exists within the center of the earth. I hadn’t considered that. What about the earth’s orbit around the sun though? To consider that the sun and moon appear from our earthly perspective as around the same size, there was one principle of motion that Newton had expressed for the effect of gravity, as to the size of a given object, and its distance away (or something similar to that.) 🙂

Anyway, here’s a quote I found online, “The inverse square law proposed by Newton suggests that the force of gravity acting between any two objects is inversely proportional to the square of the separation distance between the object’s centers.”

Though, that is slightly besides the point. lol

There’s much I could write about the ether. Would you possibly want to meet over in the ether group? I just thought the ether is possibly too much of an extensive topic to discuss quickly, or maybe I’m just seeming “nit-picky”. lol Whichever way is fine with me though.

Anyway, thanks for your response!

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[Jerry]

Hi. I’ll start with a quote by Stephen Hawking (some of which Pink Floyd actually recorded on their last album).

“For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk and we learned to listen. Speech has allowed the communication of ideas, enabling human beings to work together to build the impossible. Mankind’s greatest achievements have come about by talking, and its greatest failures by not talking. It doesn’t have to be like this. Our greatest hopes could become reality in the future. With the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.”

I thought this seemed a somewhat appropriate place to start or continue. This above quote seems quite intriguing. However, is it actually that simple, or completely the truth?

To consider again, other animals often have a high level of awareness, though, of course, don’t seem to compare with the same capacity as human beings.

What about Koko the Gorilla? (here’s a quote I found online) “It was reported that Koko understood approximately 2,000 words of spoken English, in addition to the signs.”

Also, dolphins have been known to have a variety of sounds, within their complex meanings of words. However, the language they use is possibly limited only to their interactions with fellow dolphins, instead of for the purpose of internal dialog, or personal understanding.

These seem examples of how other animals use concepts to understand and express to others, their ideas, thoughts, and emotions.

Franklin did ask the question of “what is human consciousness”. His first sentence here, also described the problem “of identifying exactly what you are talking about“. A highly valid and important truth and approach. I would agree with the idea that human beings have a more advanced system of reasoning, and conscious thought, than other animals. I would guess that most of us agree with that. It seems there were possibly a few different definitions of “consciousness” that weren’t completely agreed-upon. If we could adequately define them, and narrow down each variation individually to know “what applies to what”, that could possibly seem a good starting point to finding agreement, or at least to find understanding of our different viewpoints.

I also tend to agree that studying and comparing the capabilities that other animals have with human beings, would seem a valuable approach to find out more of “what consciousness actually is”. Maybe we could arrive at some profound conclusions the more we consider various other forms of consciousness.

Anyway, just a few thoughts!

[Jerry]

I definitely agree. You could even say the same without the scenario of outer space. The process of observing or accounting for motion or light, takes time. It is done by using or acting within the abstract concept of time, which refers to the order of events, past, present, and future. Also, time refers to the ongoing “now”. Of course, time isn’t a physical structure or occurrence. Actually, if physical reality didn’t exist at all, why wouldn’t time inevitably continue? Anyway, just a thought.

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