of the electrodynamics of a magnet and conductor

  • of the electrodynamics of a magnet and conductor

     Marco updated 1 week, 1 day ago 3 Members · 9 Posts
  • Jerry

    Organizer
    February 19, 2022 at 10:28 pm

    What of the electrodynamics of a magnet and conductor? What of the relative motion of them? Why does the electrical current appear when the magnet is in motion, while the conductor is “stationary”, yet doesn’t appear when the conductor is in motion, while the magnet is “stationary”? How would this effect work if these two devices were to interact, say, traveling at a constant velocity in a vehicle on earth? How would this experiment go if the car was a convertible? or if the vehicle was contained, or even “pressurized”?

    If they were to travel at a constant velocity, couldn’t they artificially create the inertial conditions as if they were “stationary” elsewhere? Also, what of how the earth spins and revolves around the sun? How to account for which device is “stationary” and which one is “in motion” or “travels”? How is it possible to create an inertial reference frame that “travels”? What if the vehicle wasn’t on earth at all? How would the magnet and conductor act if set up within a spacecraft in outer space? <font color=”#000000″>And out of curiosity, </font>how would the two devices act if they were both within a frame that accelerates?

    How fast does a magnet have to go, to create the electric current with the conductor? How does the magnet and conductor seem to “know” their immediate surroundings? and their positioning relative to each other? of which is “in motion” or “stationary”? Could any of the “experimental set-ups” with alternate vehicles find different results?

    Doesn’t electrodynamics play by different rules than kinematics?

    Is it possible that Einstein may have applied too much electrodynamics knowledge, that wouldn’t work exactly well or at least as accurately as kinematics? He even named his famous paper “On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies“. This we would eventually know as Special Relativity.

    <font color=”#3d85c6″>Here is the famous paper</font>

    https://www.fourmilab.ch/<wbr>etexts/einstein/specrel/www/

    How exactly did Einstein arrive at the constancy of the velocity of light? Was the idea one of Maxwell’s equations? The concepts of time dilation and the maximum possible velocity seem required for the constancy of c to work. Also, the relativity of simultaneous events was thought of as a “consequence”, that is, instead of “proof” or adequate evidence. The distances that some events which were said to appear at different times, may instead, occur simultaneously from the standpoint of other observers, even at extremely short distances away.

    It has been said that Maxwell’s equations show that, regardless of how fast or slow a given object, light source, or observer is said to go, that light travels at the constant velocity of 186,282 miles per second. It has also been said that Einstein arrived at the constancy of c by himself.

    <font color=”#000000″>Also, how does a conductor and magnet work if experiencing a high level of gravity, </font>or extreme acceleration? or if traveling at a constant velocity within zero-gravity? or each of them at different times? What exactly causes the electric field?

    <font color=”#000000″>How does the process work without a “stationary” reference frame? Could this effect </font>provide evidence for a stationary aether? What of how the earth spins, and orbits the sun, while the sun travels through the galaxy, and the galaxy throughout the universe? <font color=”#000000″>Could the position of the earth, or anything physical at all, be found within a stationary </font>aether, even if the universe is actually somewhat “static” and doesn’t expand?

    <font color=”#000000″>How exactly does electrodynamics correspond with the kinematics? </font>

  • Jerry

    Organizer
    February 19, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    Sorry again for all the weird codes and such. Maybe some of this is possible to decipher. 🙂

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by  Jerry.
  • Jerry

    Organizer
    February 19, 2022 at 11:00 pm

    Also, it may have appeared as though I accept as valid, the ideas of time dilation, the maximum possible velocity, and the relativity of simultaneous events. I actually don’t though. I also don’t accept the ideas of length contraction and relativistic mass. The only part of Special Relativity I actually accept as truth, is the first postulate, which was Galileo’s original relativity from around a few centuries ago.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by  Jerry.
  • Jan Olof

    Member
    April 27, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    Hi!

    I have not explicitly written about magnets inducing currents, but I have analyzed the very phenomenon induction thoroughly. Maybe you might benefit from my two papers on the subject:

    2003 The Law of Electromagnetic Induction Proved to be False Using Classical Electrostatics

    https://www.naturalphilosophy.org//pdf//abstracts/abstracts_189.pdf

    2014 The Claim that Neumann’s Induction Law Is Consistent with Ampère’s Law Rejected DOI: 10.7763/IJMO.2014.V4.394 (IJMO)

    With best regards

    Jan Olof Jonson

    • Jerry

      Organizer
      April 30, 2022 at 3:07 am

      Hi Jan! Thanks for responding!

      I thought it was particularly fascinating how when there is an excess of charges at one of the magnetic poles, a deficit at the other, that that causes an electric current.

      I couldn’t find the answers to many of my particular questions. For instance, here was an observation and a question, “Why does the electrical current appear when the magnet is in motion, while the conductor is “stationary”, yet doesn’t appear when the conductor is in motion, while the magnet is “stationary”? How would this effect work if these two devices were to interact, say, traveling at a constant velocity in a vehicle on earth?”

      Also, “If they were to travel at a constant velocity, couldn’t they artificially create the inertial conditions as if they were “stationary” elsewhere? What of how the earth spins and revolves around the sun? How to account for which device is “stationary” and which one is “in motion”? How fast does a magnet have to go, to create the electric current with the conductor? How does the magnet and conductor seem to “know” their immediate surroundings? and their positioning relative to each other, and if within close proximity? of which is “in motion” or “stationary”?”

  • Jan Olof

    Member
    April 30, 2022 at 10:39 pm

    Hi Jerry:

    I must confess that I am not to the extent specialized on magnets that I can give you complete answers to all your questions.

    Anyhow, I remember that Ampère writes that a magnet can be regarded as consisting of infinitely many microscopic circular currents, thus equalling a single electric current going through a circular conductor along the borders of a circularly shaped magnet *). Inside the magnet, all the magnetic effects of infinitesimally small currents close to a neighboring orbiting current cancel, except for the sum of those aligned to the circular border.

    To conclude, a magnet causes the same effect as an electric current.

    The law that I claim does induce an electric current, is ‘the so-called Continuity Equation of Electricity’, mentioned as Eq. (1) in my paper available on https://www.naturalphilosophy.org//pdf//abstracts/abstracts_189.pdf

    Apparently, there’s needed a changing time function of the electric field due to the magnet (or equivalent electric current) generating the electric field. Due to the inverse square law, if the position of the magnet (or the electric current, corresponding to a primary circuit) changes with time, this condition is fulfilled, and, accordingly, a current will be induced in the adjacent conductor).

    *) Please see: Reference [4] in my recent paper available in http://researchopinion.in/index.php/jro/article/view/152/278

    However, I am not able to define the exact position of this statement attributed by me to Ampère.

    I look forwards to give you further answers to your questions, as far as my knowledge of the subject suffices.

    With best regards

  • Jan Olof

    Member
    April 30, 2022 at 10:47 pm

    Excuse me, Jerry, I omitted the comment to your question “Why does the electrical current appear when the <i style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;”>magnet is in motion, while the<i style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;”> conductor is “stationary”, yet <i style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;”>doesn’t appear when the <i style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;”>conductor is in motion, while the<i style=”background-color: transparent; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit;”> magnet is “stationary”?

    -But
    isn’t it so that in a generator, consisting of a rotating conductor a current
    is generated due to the magnet which surrounds it?’ Here it follows:

  • Jan Olof

    Member
    May 11, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    Hi, Jerry!

    I found that it was almost impossible to read my recent reply on April 30, 2022 at 10:47 pm, due to intruding “computer system information”.

    I therefore repeat the message (marginally edited) here:

    “Excuse me, Jerry, I omitted the comment to your question “Why does the electrical current appear when magnet is in motion, while the conductor is “stationary”, yet doesn’t appear when the conductor is in motion, while the magnet is “stationary”?

    -But

    isn’t it so that in a generator, consisting of a rotating conductor a current

    is generated due to the magnet surrounding it?’

    I will return to your remaining questions, if I am able to give any relevant comments.

    With best regards,

    Jan Olof Jonson

  • Marco

    Member
    May 11, 2022 at 3:39 pm

    I think this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_paradox can give you some inputs of explantion on similar problems.

    Regards ___ Ing MM

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