[Alistair]

Aether theories, if based on non-simplistic shapes, can transmit with other than collisions.

Not all aether theories are created equal.

[Alistair]

What makes you think no animals have internal dialogues?

They can exhibit observable indecisiveness. Is that not evidence of an internal dialogue taking place as options are weighed?

You can literally directly observe this cat choosing whether it would succeed or not succeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_17nvsuFFA

[Alistair]

Not currently.

[Alistair]

I see.

This was the last line of your original post.

“What do you think? Is human consciousness something unique and can only be executed within the context of a language or not?”

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To: “Is human consciousness something unique?”.

– I specifically think “No”.

To: “Can it only be executed within the context of a language or not?”.

– I specifically think language is only another form of conveyance of concepts, and in the mind it is the processing of concepts that is thinking and consciousness.

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My reasons. My thinking that you specifically asked for, was addressing “is human consciousness unique”.

Since uniqueness was being discussed, I had to relate human consciousness to other species consciousness in order to be able to discuss uniqueness.

But then you objected… “Don’t talk about other species”.

Wait, what?/?/?

What happened to “is human consciousness unique”.

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I am starting to feel that instead of a discussion of whether human consciousness is unique, you want a discussion where the premise is:

– “Ye Shalt accept that humans are unique”

– “Ye Shalt question not that humans are unique, or be told that was not the topic of discussion”

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But that is not what I signed up for when replying. Was it.

If we are to discuss whether human consciousness is unique, but not be allowed to compare human consciousness to other species, then we aren’t endeavouring to discuss.

I will bid you well in continuing your pursuit without me. I cannot continue under the current parameters.

[Alistair]

The way I am perceiving your intent is to say “If you use words, you are more specialler”.

I hear that.

I understand that.

If that fairly represents what you suggest. “If you use words, you are more specialler”. And thus get to wear the “conscious” badge of honour (Humans only).

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I see consciousness as happening in concepts. Not letters, or digits or pictures. All of those are just methods of cataloging the underlying concepts.

It is the concepts that are important. Not the cataloging.

It is the content of the books. Not the cards that tell you where to find them, that are the “concepts that make consciousness”.

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I would say…

IF you reason and contemplate and plan and plot and scheme and devise and love and hate and get angry and get sad and get mournful and hopeful and despairing and concerned and frightened and anticipatory and calm and excited and agitated and placated and tentative and brave, and a whack of other things… all of which some animals do.

THEN you are a member of the group “species with conscious individuals”.

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If my understanding of your position is wrong, please feel free to replace my impression of your “hypothesis statement” with a correct hypothesis statement. That better represents your position.

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Accurate successful communications is defined as the successful conveyance and the successful receipt of a concept or series of concepts.

Communication happens in many forms. Verbal, body language, proximity variation, movement patterns, noises created within or without, and others. All of which convey concepts.

I would suggest trying to see the concepts behind the words you use, see if you see them as just words. Or whether you use them as “symbolic”.

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When I say “rose”, how would you describe what I conveyed without using the word.

[Alistair]

Trying a link to an image in my photos folder in my profile here. As a test of process. Which if successful, also conveys my thoughts.

https://naturalphilosophy.org/members/alistairriddoch/photos/#next

[Alistair]

I have tried to add images. Without images, conveying the concept is not as effective.

I will make them a shareable link and try adding a link in a reply.